Sampson Lewkowicz advisor to Sergio Martinez says Miguel Cotto pissed him off
Mar 16 2014 1:11 AM
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Marcos Villegas caught up with Sampson Lewkowicz  who is the advisor to the middleweight WBC Champion, Sergio Martinez, at the Los Angeles Press Conference to announce the PPV championship fight against Miguel Cotto on June 7th, 2014 at the Madison Square Garden Arena in New York.

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The Shadow says:

You know, it seems to me that Sergio's team goes out of their way to come up with story lines for their fights. I starting to think that handshake incident only happened in Sergio's mind.

What I can see Sergio being annoyed with, however, is Miguel Cotto dismissing him as an opponent, only to sign up later to fight him when Sergio appears vulnerable. And, of course, those demands of his. 159 catchweight? Really? Hehehe. Throw your weight around where you can, I guess.

Radam G says:

That is right, The Shadow. Ev'ybodee and dey momma throw their weight around where and when they can.

I once insisted that my opponent wear white trunks. I wanted everybodee and dey momma to see that I could and did make him defecate and urinate on himself while I slice up his mug and he bleed on his trunks. Psychedelic yellow, brown and red the trunks became.

Dude was a racist and kept referring to me as a g°°k and fl¡p. He tried to commit suicide by cutting his wrists in his dressing room after the bout. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;46025]That is right, The Shadow. Ev'ybodee and dey momma throw their weight around where and when they can.

I once insisted that my opponent wear white trunks. I wanted everybodee and dey momma to see that I could and did make him defecate and urinate on himself while I slice up his mug and he bleed on his trunks. Psychedelic yellow, brown and red the trunks became.

Dude was a racist and kept referring to me as a g°°k and fl¡p. He tried to commit suicide by cutting his wrists in his dressing room after the bout. Holla![/QUOTE]

Lol is this a true story?? Where did this take place? Hahaha this sounds like something out of a movie! Epic story.

Radam G says:

Mississippi!

They tell me that it is spelled M-i-s-s-i-humpback-i-humpback-i-p-p-i!

I syet you not. What I post is the WHOLE truth. Don't forget that boxing is “The theatre of the unexpected.”

You will be surprised of the attempts at suicide of losing fighters in boxing.

A few years ago, a boxer killed himself after losing on a U.S. nationwide show called “The Contender.”

Among athletes, boxing leads all sports in suicide attempts and suicide. Holla!

Radam G says:

Even Tim Bradley has mentioned that suicide has crossed his mind.

“Some fighters just cannot handle the pressure,” he said.

Going off the top of my head, I personally know 10 fighters who have committed suicide in my lifetime. Holla!

The Shadow says:

I can definitely see why suicide would creep in. In order to be a good fighter, you have to be mentally somewhat deviant.

What I mean by that is top fighters have been lied to their whole lives by their closest people and especially by themselves.

For most guys, you have to think that you're a god among men, a master soldier, unbeatable, and so forth to psychologically withstand what's necessary to perform at that level.

The flip side to that is not everyone is the greatest — and once that gets exposed to the fighter, it is so hard to cope with. And some don't cope at all.

Most times fighters can rationalize their way out of a defeat. Make Tyson rationalized his career away by not working hard anymore. Even in 2005 homeboy was talking wild.

“If I do what I'm supposed to, no one can beat me.”

Max Kellerman: “Even now?”

Tyson: “Yes.”

Amir Khan does it by firing trainers. Roy Jones just reaches for whatever.

Against true masters like Rigo, Hopkins and Floyd, guys who have been lied to are being told the truth, left with no escape of rationalization. This is why these guys stand behind dejected, left with no soul with a first class ticket to the abyss of self destruction. “A cold dose of reality.”

The list of soulless fighters is looooooong. Donaire, Cloud, Taylor, Tarver, Hatton, Pavlik….

Then you have other guys who still have that mentally deviant fighter ego, but are rational at the same time. Guys who don't tie their entire self worth into the illusion that has been reinforced for years and years.

If I were working with a fighter, I would wire deep into his subconscious mind that he in fact IS the man — but only on the merits of the input of effort. If he is beaten, it is only because another man outworked him. Which really is true.

For that same reason, I tend to believe that an early loss is beneficial to a future great fighter. The later that first loss comes, the harder it becomes for you to cope with the fact that you've been lied to.

Had Adrian Broner come back to beat Maidana, he would've been even more annoying. But more importantly, he would've had an ever ruder awakening down the road.

I'm curious to know, mentally, what type of fighter are you, RG?

Radam G says:

You lost me with your lash, The Shadow.

I'm mentally strong. Not brainwashed, never fibbing to myself. Fast and mean as they come. I told everybodee and dey momma that when the doctor birth and butt slap me, I counter punched and knocked him the heck out. Hehehe! Just jiving and conniving and high fiving.

But I'm nasty in that squared jungle. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;46183]I can definitely see why suicide would creep in. In order to be a good fighter, you have to be mentally somewhat deviant.

What I mean by that is top fighters have been lied to their whole lives by their closest people and especially by themselves.

For most guys, you have to think that you're a god among men, a master soldier, unbeatable, and so forth to psychologically withstand what's necessary to perform at that level.

The flip side to that is not everyone is the greatest — and once that gets exposed to the fighter, it is so hard to cope with. And some don't cope at all.

Most times fighters can rationalize their way out of a defeat. Make Tyson rationalized his career away by not working hard anymore. Even in 2005 homeboy was talking wild.

“If I do what I'm supposed to, no one can beat me.”

Max Kellerman: “Even now?”

Tyson: “Yes.”

Amir Khan does it by firing trainers. Roy Jones just reaches for whatever.

Against true masters like Rigo, Hopkins and Floyd, guys who have been lied to are being told the truth, left with no escape of rationalization. This is why these guys stand behind dejected, left with no soul with a first class ticket to the abyss of self destruction. “A cold dose of reality.”

The list of soulless fighters is looooooong. Donaire, Cloud, Taylor, Tarver, Hatton, Pavlik….

Then you have other guys who still have that mentally deviant fighter ego, but are rational at the same time. Guys who don't tie their entire self worth into the illusion that has been reinforced for years and years.

If I were working with a fighter, I would wire deep into his subconscious mind that he in fact IS the man — but only on the merits of the input of effort. If he is beaten, it is only because another man outworked him. Which really is true.

For that same reason, I tend to believe that an early loss is beneficial to a future great fighter. The later that first loss comes, the harder it becomes for you to cope with the fact that you've been lied to.

Had Adrian Broner come back to beat Maidana, he would've been even more annoying. But more importantly, he would've had an ever ruder awakening down the road.

I'm curious to know, mentally, what type of fighter are you, RG?[/QUOTE]

Nice summation Shadow

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;46224]You lost me with your lash, The Shadow.

I'm mentally strong. Not brainwashed, never fibbing to myself. Fast and mean as they come. I told everybodee and dey momma that when the doctor birth and butt slap me, I counter punched and knocked him the heck out. Hehehe! Just jiving and conniving and high fiving.

But I'm nasty in that squared jungle. Holla![/QUOTE]

I apologize, what part didn't come across right. I'll try to explain it a little better.

And regarding your mental makeup, that's exactly what I thought. Based on you functioning well in retirement, that's a pretty good indicator.

I doubt Iran Barkley, no offense, is in here making sensible comments. Which is unfortunate.

amayseng says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;46020]You know, it seems to me that Sergio's team goes out of their way to come up with story lines for their fights. I starting to think that handshake incident only happened in Sergio's mind.

What I can see Sergio being annoyed with, however, is Miguel Cotto dismissing him as an opponent, only to sign up later to fight him when Sergio appears vulnerable. And, of course, those demands of his. 159 catchweight? Really? Hehehe. Throw your weight around where you can, I guess.[/QUOTE]

Hey Shadow we older guys have to get a lil firing burning in us to get us going full force ha

how old are you anyways?

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;46369]Hey Shadow we older guys have to get a lil firing burning in us to get us going full force ha

how old are you anyways?[/QUOTE]

29! For a few more weeks, anyway…

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;46332]I apologize, what part didn't come across right. I'll try to explain it a little better.

And regarding your mental makeup, that's exactly what I thought. Based on you functioning well in retirement, that's a pretty good indicator.

I doubt Iran Barkley, no offense, is in here making sensible comments. Which is unfortunate.[/QUOTE]

Iran Barkley still has it together . He may be heavy but he doesn't slur . I had a drink with him at the affinia hotel bar after one of the fights at the garden. He was fan friendly and let everyone take a pic with him. He was also dressed way better then Lou dibella

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;46550]Iran Barkley still has it together . He may be heavy but he doesn't slur . I had a drink with him at the affinia hotel bar after one of the fights at the garden. He was fan friendly and let everyone take a pic with him. He was also dressed way better then Lou dibella[/QUOTE]

Deep, read this: [url]http://nypost.com/2010/11/21/bronx-boxing-champs-tumble-from-5m-glory-to-homeless-woe/

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;46568]Deep, read this: [url]http://nypost.com/2010/11/21/bronx-boxing-champs-tumble-from-5m-glory-to-homeless-woe/[/QUOTE]
Yeah he is broke like most pugs but he still has his mind and doesn't slur. Most boxers are broke .its a sad fact.shane Mosley has millions ,or a million or two after his ex Jin took him for everything including his belts, but he slurs worse then broke Barkley . Ring 8 should help out . Would it surprise you Chris Eubank is broke too. Instead of crashing at section 8 motels he sleeps on friends couches.

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;46603]Yeah he is broke like most pugs but he still has his mind and doesn't slur. Most boxers are broke .its a sad fact.shane Mosley has millions ,or a million or two after his ex Jin took him for everything including his belts, but he slurs worse then broke Barkley . Ring 8 should help out . Would it surprise you Chris Eubank is broke too. Instead of crashing at section 8 motels he sleeps on friends couches.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if you're about Eubank D2, as far as I know he's currently working in Angola with their national boxing team, and he still has both his homes in the UK, plus a silly 6 wheeled truck! His son Eubank Jr recently went 13-0 and is fighting again in about 2 weeks!

deepwater2 says:

Good for him because not to long ago he lost those houses to his x wife , declared bankruptcy and owed a million or so in taxes. As long as a boxer has his health he can usually bounce back.

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;46608]Good for him because not to long ago he lost those houses to his x wife , declared bankruptcy and owed a million or so in taxes. As long as a boxer has his health he can usually bounce back.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I remember that was a few years ago now and fortunately he still has his health, mind and friends who helped him out. He's still around the scene whenever he's in the UK, he was trying to talk up a return to the ring with a fight between him and Benn… Think those plans are on hold though (unsurprisingly).

The Commish says:

That was a marvelous delve into a fighter's psyche, The Shadow. I, who have been around a tremendous array of psyches, totally was into what you were saying.

The topic and thought of post-fight suicides really captured me. Yes, “The Contender” did lose one of their own, but I recall there were other underlying circumstances. In his case, it may have had to do with a pending divorce, though I am not sure. A check of the records will jar this 'ol brain.

Oh, and being that I am the new guy on this street, I only know you guys by the names on the screen. Are we supposed to keep it that way? Although I know a few of you behind the screen name, should I leave it at that?

It really makes no difference, as I enjoy each one of your posts, thoughts, rants, raves, persuasions, arguments & comments. It's just that, as the new “kid” here, I wondered if each of you frequent visitors (at least once a day) knew the behind-the-screen identity of each other.

So, it's off to check on some action on the Boxing Channel.

Be back soon.

-The Commish
-Randy G

dino da vinci says:

[QUOTE=The Commish;46611]That was a marvelous delve into a fighter's psyche, The Shadow. I, who have been around a tremendous array of psyches, totally was into what you were saying.

The topic and thought of post-fight suicides really captured me. Yes, “The Contender” did lose one of their own, but I recall there were other underlying circumstances. In his case, it may have had to do with a pending divorce, though I am not sure. A check of the records will jar this 'ol brain.

Oh, and being that I am the new guy on this street, I only know you guys by the names on the screen. Are we supposed to keep it that way? Although I know a few of you behind the screen name, should I leave it at that?

It really makes no difference, as I enjoy each one of your posts, thoughts, rants, raves, persuasions, arguments & comments. It's just that, as the new “kid” here, I wondered if each of you frequent visitors (at least once a day) knew the behind-the-screen identity of each other.

So, it's off to check on some action on the Boxing Channel.

Be back soon.

-The Commish
-Randy G[/QUOTE]

@Randy. The fighter that took his own life who had fought on the 'Contender' series had the last name Turpin. Why I bring this up is they say suicide is hereditary and I know the middleweight Randy Turpin took his own life. I know they were both from England, but I don't know if they were related.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=The Commish;46611]That was a marvelous delve into a fighter's psyche, The Shadow. I, who have been around a tremendous array of psyches, totally was into what you were saying.

The topic and thought of post-fight suicides really captured me. Yes, “The Contender” did lose one of their own, but I recall there were other underlying circumstances. In his case, it may have had to do with a pending divorce, though I am not sure. A check of the records will jar this 'ol brain.

Oh, and being that I am the new guy on this street, I only know you guys by the names on the screen. Are we supposed to keep it that way? Although I know a few of you behind the screen name, should I leave it at that?

It really makes no difference, as I enjoy each one of your posts, thoughts, rants, raves, persuasions, arguments & comments. It's just that, as the new “kid” here, I wondered if each of you frequent visitors (at least once a day) knew the behind-the-screen identity of each other.

So, it's off to check on some action on the Boxing Channel.

Be back soon.

-The Commish
-Randy G[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Randy! I would like to hear some of your stories about fighter psyches and how you helped them recover mentally after the loss. Do you lie more, appeasing the cognitive dissonance with excuses? Or do you take what's there, in terms of how he copes mentally?

I find a guy like Chad Dawson — due to his spectacular technique — to be one of the biggest liars of all times. Whenever he encounters something that doesn't fit his megalomaniacal self perception — basically treats him like he's god — he runs like Julia Roberts in the Runaway Bride.

That would explain his multiple trainer changes, each one for bizarre reasons.

Here's another example I found very fascinating:

Dawson had the arrogance/audacity to challenge Andre Ward at 168, knowing he he had to cut almost 25 pounds off his already slender 190 pound physique, which is doable if you're used to it, but very unhealthy if you only have “traditional” techniques at your disposal.

So now he loses to Andre Ward. Totally and completely disregards the manner in which he lost, blaming it 80% on weight loss and 20% on having a trainer with “limited world class experience.”

(Never mind the fact that he gave John Scully credit for his title win vs. Hopkins a few months earlier…)

Fast forward a few months. He totally and completely dismisses the challenge from a heavy hitting Adonis Stevenson. It was written all over his face, demeanor, actions, and most likely his preparation. “I had to google you!”

If you look during the referee's pre-fight instructions, it is written all over his face how little he thinks of Stevenson.

BOOM! Rude awakening. And to me, it wasn't even the slightest surprise. (That's the same reason I worry about George Groves.)

He rationalized the Jean Pascal defeat because he was stopped on cuts and had Pascal hurt before the technical stoppage. “I was gonna knock him out in the next round. He knows it, I know it, everybody knows it.”

Had he not been such a liar, he would've realized that — while he's a better fighter than Ward from the standpoint of technical ability and fluidity — SOG is far tougher mentally, way smarter, way grittier and overall a way better fighter.

Yes, Chad got hurt easier due to his drainage. But he was out-thought, out-fought by a simple strategy, consisting of TWO punches: straight right to the gut and a left hook.

To me, he's the epitome of a world class fighter undone by his own delusions.

As far as real identities go, I don't know anyone in here. I don't think there's any etiquette in that regard. There are plenty I would love to meet. I think Brownsugar would be an awesome mentor to me. I would seek him out for life advice.

I would want Amayseng as a workout partner. RG is the guru.

I would love to take you out for a beer. You're the type I would love to have as a mentor.

(Not trying to sound weird, I have tons of mentors, by the way. I'm a big fan of mentorship. I tend to seek people to who have accomplished what I want to accomplish, be it professionally, personally, academically, what have you, and ask them out for lunch and whether they want to mentor me. I don't mean to sound abrasive in my nature, but as people often take interest in people who appreciate what they do, which I genuinely do.)

That said, until I meet with people in person, I guess I'm just “The Shadow.”