Leo Santa Cruz says he wants to make the fight with Rigondeaux happen
Jan 15 2015 2:30 AM
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Undefeated WBC World super bantamweight champion Leo Santa Cruz will defend his title against Jesus Ruiz on Saturday, January 17 as the co-main event to Bermane StiverneDeontay Wilder championship match.

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stormcentre says:

OK GBP (whose always saying they want to make the best fights out there; for the fans) let's get your people to call Rigo's people and make it happen.

This would be a good fight because LSwould make Rigo work and fight, and when that happens fighters kiss the dirt, and we all get entertained.

stormcentre says:

OK GBP (whose always saying they want to make the best fights out there; for the fans) let's get your “people” to call Rigo's “people” and make it happen.

This would be a good fight because LSC would make Rigo work and fight, and when that happens fighters kiss the dirt, and we all get entertained.

oubobcat says:

Santa Cruz has been on record of not wanting the Rigo fight because Rigo does not fight in a style the fans want to see. Now he says he wants it. If you believe that, well then you believe that Stevenson really wanted to make the Kovalev fight happen last year and now really really wants him this year.

Look, its a bad stylistic matchup for Santa Cruz. His management would be wise to avoid this guy. Just don't come out and say you want him after earlier stating he is not fan friendly enough to garner a fight.

Assuming all goes well Saturday, Santa Cruz is going to face Abner Mares on NBC later this year. Its a natural and not that Haymon is putting his guys in good fights its one of those matchups that is likely to occur. Mares and Santa Cruz would make a fun fight on a Saturday afternoon (or evening) that would have folks glued to their sets.

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=stormcentre;74154]OK GBP (whose always saying they want to make the best fights out there; for the fans) let's get your “people” to call Rigo's “people” and make it happen.

This would be a good fight because LSC would make Rigo work and fight, and when that happens fighters kiss the dirt, and we all get entertained.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be surprised if he makes it a close fight over the distance but I think at times Rigo's class will really shine through as it has in every single one of his pro fights. If Rigondeaux chooses to turn it on there's no one around him who can match him, sometimes he just seems a little too comfortable biding his time but that's just his style I guess, and he wouldn't have to go chasing LSC either if they fought.

brownsugar says:

I think Cruz waffled because someone behind the scenes told him to. When Rigo defeated Donaire, Cruz went on record as wanting the fight. After Arum, Rigo's own promoter and 75% of the media trashed Rigo's style repeatedly in the press I really think Cruz was just picking up the party line. And parotted what his management wanted him to say in a effort to keep Cruz's belt firmly wrapped around his waist.

But lately Cruz has been very vocal.

Of course it's anybody's guess if that's what was actually going through Cruz's mind,….. but I Seriously think Cruz would take the fight if he was allowed by his management. Cruz may simply be a victim of a combination of his youthful naïveté and his competitive nature.

But Cruz is very sure of himself.
Also with the media gradually gaining respect and acceptance for Rigo after his last fight, which displayed Rigo's talent along with his vulnerabilities, top fighters like Cruz might feel that Rigo may not be the “Impossible Man” he's been previously made out to be.

That impression coupled with Cruz's naturally competitive nature may be driving him toward a showdown…. after all, the man is a fighter.
If Agamasa was more mobile and athletic he could have potentially ended Rigo if he could have landed another solid punch.

I've never seen Rigo that vulnerable before.

But you also have to credit Rigo's survival skills and resilience which allowed him to overcome a bad situation.

A fighter like Cruz would not have let Rigo off the hook so easily.

However I'm not willing to commit to the notion that Cruz has any more chance than Donaire did in upsetting the Cuban prodigy.

If anyone has truly been found guilty of false bravado I'd have to say it's Abner Mares. We've heard at one time or another on tv that Mares said he'd have no problem facing the highly decorated Cuban.

However I found and obscure video of an interview on Youtube where Mares was speaking Spanish to a Mexican reporter that was translated by a nearby observer who recorded the conversation on his cell phone.
Mares told the reporter after being asked if he would fight Rigondeaux and responded by saying “are you kidding I'd have no chance against Rigodeaux and neither would Cruz”.

The reporter being biased toward the amiable Mares blew past the admission by saying “who wants that fight Rigo anyway he's boring” and started an entirely different topic.

I thought that was a surprisingly interesting revelation by the usually diehard Mares.

brownsugar says:

Currently Cruz has been trying to get Frampton in the ring.

oubobcat says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;74247]Currently Cruz has been trying to get Frampton in the ring.[/QUOTE]

That would be a pretty good fight too. I think Haymon leans towards putting him in with Mares though in the near future. LSC-Mares would certainly sell tickets at a California venue such as the Home Depot Center. As both are well known to American fight audiences and would draw much better ratings as an NBC headliner (can't believe I am writing that NBC is televising fights) than Santa Cruz-Frampton.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;74246]I think Cruz waffled because someone behind the scenes told him to. When Rigo defeated Donaire, Cruz went on record as wanting the fight. After Arum, Rigo's own promoter and 75% of the media trashed Rigo's style repeatedly in the press I really think Cruz was just picking up the party line. And parotted what his management wanted him to say in a effort to keep Cruz's belt firmly wrapped around his waist.

But lately Cruz has been very vocal.

Of course it's anybody's guess if that's what was actually going through Cruz's mind,….. but I Seriously think Cruz would take the fight if he was allowed by his management. Cruz may simply be a victim of a combination of his youthful naïveté and his competitive nature.

But Cruz is very sure of himself.
Also with the media gradually gaining respect and acceptance for Rigo after his last fight, which displayed Rigo's talent along with his vulnerabilities, top fighters like Cruz might feel that Rigo may not be the “Impossible Man” he's been previously made out to be.

That impression coupled with Cruz's naturally competitive nature may be driving him toward a showdown…. after all, the man is a fighter.
If Agamasa was more mobile and athletic he could have potentially ended Rigo if he could have landed another solid punch.

I've never seen Rigo that vulnerable before.

But you also have to credit Rigo's survival skills and resilience which allowed him to overcome a bad situation.

A fighter like Cruz would not have let Rigo off the hook so easily.

However I'm not willing to commit to the notion that Cruz has any more chance than Donaire did in upsetting the Cuban prodigy.

If anyone has truly been found guilty of false bravado I'd have to say it's Abner Mares. We've heard at one time or another on tv that Mares said he'd have no problem facing the highly decorated Cuban.

However I found and obscure video of an interview on Youtube where Mares was speaking Spanish to a Mexican reporter that was translated by a nearby observer who recorded the conversation on his cell phone.
Mares told the reporter after being asked if he would fight Rigondeaux and responded by saying “are you kidding I'd have no chance against Rigodeaux and neither would Cruz”.

The reporter being biased toward the amiable Mares blew past the admission by saying “who wants that fight Rigo anyway he's boring” and started an entirely different topic.

I thought that was a surprisingly interesting revelation by the usually diehard Mares.[/QUOTE]

Shieeeeet, this is Mayweather-Pacquiao all over again, but on a smaller scale. Santa Cruz saying he wants it but really won't push for it because 1) he has a pretty cushiony gig fighting beatable guys and 2) he knows — as do the handlers — there's a greater chance of death than victory, should he step up.

I repeat: there's a greater chance of death than victory.

There's a greater chance of death than victory.

At best, it's a dominant loss and the gravy train is over. Again, it is more likely he dies from injuries than beating this foe he claims to want to fight.

Why risk it? This would the business equivalent of Evil Knievel or putting your life savings in a dot-com stock in 2001.

Especially since those slave masters who control the foreign fighter won't cease control to one Alan Haymon. Both foreign phenoms had the chance. unfortunately their masters weren't with it.

Rigondeaux with Roc Nation going up against a Santa Cruz?! Ha! Forget about it. Santa Cruz and Mares is the fight.

Neither one of them boys want that work. Sucks for Rigo he's stuck on the plantation. Meanwhile his lil' brother Dandy Landy is getting PPV paydays with a fraction of the skill. Says it all.
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“Mares told the reporter after being asked if he would fight Rigondeaux and responded by saying “are you kidding I'd have no chance against Rigodeaux and neither would Cruz”.”[/I]

The rare honest moment of a fighter. Pretty remarkable.

Rigondeaux is avoided for the same reason Andre Ward is avoided. The same reason Floyd Mayweather was avoided until he became a mega draw and thus represented a ticket to a leisurely retirement.

People then call them boring, how convenient.

Meanwhile, other fighters will pretend, posture and talk as if they're avoided. It's freakin' ironic and borderline pathetic.

What's worse is when people fall for it. I cannot believe my eyes and ears sometimes, Sugarman.

These people make millions in this boxing game. This is what they do. They all know the deal.

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;74247]Currently Cruz has been trying to get Frampton in the ring.[/QUOTE]

I believe it's the other way around Bsuge, Barry Mac flew stateside and had a few meetings with Haymon, put up large 6 figure offers for LSC to come to Ireland and fight but all were declined. They offered the money for a fight in the states, it was declined. LSC isn't interested in Frampton, Quigg, or Rigondeaux. Or the long list of brilliant fighters around his weight. Al Haymon doesn't do that to his fighters.

Skibbz says:

All they've spoken of is Mares, Mares and more Mares. That's a good fight to be honest but Mares would get stomped on by Frampton or Quigg, and he accepts he doesn't stand a chance against Rigo.

brownsugar says:

[QUOTE=Skibbz;74293]All they've spoken of is Mares, Mares and more Mares. That's a good fight to be honest but Mares would get stomped on by Frampton or Quigg, and he accepts he doesn't stand a chance against Rigo.[/QUOTE]

Skibbz maybe you and Shadow are onto something. But are sure its not location problem.
Both Frampton and Quigg are content to fight at home.
Cruz has been talking a lot on line.
But I'm inclined to believe too that Mares is indeed the most available.

deepwater2 says:

TsAH won't let mares or lsc fight Rigo. LSD or lsc fights bums.Congrats to nonito and evil Vic for being real men.

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;74393]TsAH won't let mares or lsc fight Rigo. LSD or lsc fights bums.Congrats to nonito and evil Vic for being real men.[/QUOTE]

You're a competitor Deep, is it a numbers thing pure and simple? Is there a time where you forget about the numbers and say how about the glory? How about being able to say I defeated the guy nobody wants a piece of? I can't get my head around it sometimes..