How well will Adrien Broner come back from his loss?

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Adrien Broner vs. Carlos Molina will be part of the undercard of Mayweather vs. Maidana on May 3.

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Skibbz says:

I knew AB wasn't the full cookie, he skipped classes, neglected discipline and got chastised by a rough and ready Maidana. When Gavin pick-me-up Rees is landing shots, it's not a good sign. Broner is after fame and will forever aim to live in the shadow of his big brother because that's all he's got.

Molina is acting as gate keeper yet again, they dumped AB outside of the walls, but Haymon and Joy Jr dangled a rope and it's his chance to climb back in. I hope Molina comes with the same mindset Maidana did, then it could be headlines all over again for Adrien but for all the wrong reasons.. Nice job Al.

deepwater2 says:

He lost to Paulie in my eyes too. Let him fight 135 pound guys at 147 and he will look better in the ring. I don't think Broner will ever look good. He is obnoxious in and out of the ring. His character is absent. He is more a cartoon and fool.

Skibbz says:

I'm with you D2. He's insecure and lacks honesty in my opinion..

Radam G says:

He's what I hollered from the jump. A bone headed, overhyped phony! Holla!

The Good Doctor says:

I think he can come back from the loss but he will need to retool greatly. He needs a new corner, a better version of the philly crab, shell, shoulder roll, defense, and to develop some real discipline. He should really internalize what Floyd told him: "Once you begin fighting A and B level fighters, talent will not be enough. All those guys are talented." It might also help him to look at tapes of his fights against De Leon(who you can argue beat him), Rees(who hit him cleanly for 5 rounds), Paulie(who I thought he beat but if Paulie could push a pillow, he might have been knocked out) and Maidana to find his flaws.

Lucky for him he took his butt whipping young and has time to get things together. If he is willing to dedicate himself and realize that he could be out of the game before his 27th birthday if he doesn't, he will come around. In my humble opinion, if he wants to be like Floyd so much, humble himself and hire uncle Roger to get him right. He knows at least one thing good will come from that relationship and its that Roger will tell him that he isn't that great right now.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=The Good Doctor;47741]I think he can come back from the loss but he will need to retool greatly. He needs a new corner, a better version of the philly crab, shell, shoulder roll, defense, and to develop some real discipline. He should really internalize what Floyd told him: "Once you begin fighting A and B level fighters, talent will not be enough. All those guys are talented." It might also help him to look at tapes of his fights against De Leon(who you can argue beat him), Rees(who hit him cleanly for 5 rounds), Paulie(who I thought he beat but if Paulie could push a pillow, he might have been knocked out) and Maidana to find his flaws.

Lucky for him he took his butt whipping young and has time to get things together. If he is willing to dedicate himself and realize that he could be out of the game before his 27th birthday if he doesn't, he will come around. In my humble opinion, if he wants to be like Floyd so much, humble himself and hire uncle Roger to get him right. He knows at least one thing good will come from that relationship and its that Roger will tell him that he isn't that great right now.[/QUOTE]

That's a nice assessment. His personality has nothing to do with outcomes of athletic events. His honesty has nothing to do with his ability to win fights so I don't really understand that position.

I think he has a good trainer so not sure he should switch, although the Mayweather's could probably add a little something outside camps, like they did with Pascal.

Think you really nailed it with him having to internalize Floyd's advice as well.

What I do think was his shortcoming was an arrogance, not the overt flamboyance, but the youthful arrogance of dismissing Floyd's advice, thinking he knew best when Floyd has been doing it for a loooooooong time.

This loss will serve him well because he is a hard worker.

And lets be fair -- no one really hyped him as the next Mayweather except for himself. People hyped him as an entertaining young fighter who liked to watch Floyd tapes.

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;47748]That's a nice assessment. His personality has nothing to do with outcomes of athletic events. His honesty has nothing to do with his ability to win fights so I don't really understand that position.

I think he has a good trainer so not sure he should switch, although the Mayweather's could probably add a little something outside camps, like they did with Pascal.

Think you really nailed it with him having to internalize Floyd's advice as well.

What I do think was his shortcoming was an arrogance, not the overt flamboyance, but the youthful arrogance of dismissing Floyd's advice, thinking he knew best when Floyd has been doing it for a loooooooong time.

This loss will serve him well because he is a hard worker.

And lets be fair -- no one really hyped him as the next Mayweather except for himself. People hyped him as an entertaining young fighter who liked to watch Floyd tapes.[/QUOTE]

Your personality has everything to do with how you do in boxing. So does honesty. I don't think you understand what I mean so I will attempt to explain it to you.

Honesty in a fighter is one of the most important attributes he can possess. After Broner had taken a short beating and been dropped in the second round, he goes back to his corner and says "it's okay calm the f down we got this". He was not being true and honest with himself, and chose to ignore the issue that would plague him all night. You can't lie to yourself in that square circle. Honesty means getting up and putting in the roadwork, putting in all the hours and sticking strictly to the rigours of life as a boxer.

Broner doesn't put in the mileage, he doesn't eat, drink, sleep or think boxing. He eats junk, drinks bad, sleeps little and thinks about flushing money down the toilet. He is a dishonest fighter and dishonest fighters pay for it when it's just themselves and their opponent, just how he paid against Maidana.

Hard worker? I'm sorry but if that's what you call hard work... The guy is never in shape, he sweats his *** off burning off all the fat he accumulates throughout the year.

A fight is the moment of truth. Who did what they were supposed to do, who wants it more, who is prepared to give it their everything to be crowned victor. If you lack honesty and integrity, you will never last in this sport.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=Skibbz;47759]Your personality has everything to do with how you do in boxing. So does honesty? I don't think you understand what I mean so I will attempt to explain it to you.

Honesty in a fighter is one of the most important attributes he can possess. After Broner had taken a short beating and been dropped in the second round, he goes back to his corner and says "it's okay calm the f down we got this". He was not being true and honest with himself, and chose to ignore the issue that would plague him all night. You can't lie to yourself in that square circle. Honesty means getting up and putting in the roadwork, putting in all the hours and sticking strictly to the rigours of life as a boxer.

Broner doesn't put in the mileage, he doesn't eat, drink, sleep or think boxing. He eats junk, drinks bad, sleeps little and thinks about flushing money down the toilet. He is a dishonest fighter and dishonest fighters pay for it when it's just themselves and their opponent, just how he paid against Maidana.

Hard worker? I'm sorry but if that's what you call hard work... The guy is never in shape, he sweats his *** off burning off all the fat he accumulates throughout the year.

A fight is the moment of truth. Who did what they were supposed to do, who wants it more, who is prepared to give it their everything to be crowned victor. If you lack honesty and integrity, you will never last in this sport.[/QUOTE]
Good way to holla, Skibbz! You saved me from having to holla the same. Boxing is no joke. You cannot hide in imaginary smoke. If you ain't got it together in the actuality of the reality, it will be sooner before later that you choke. That is what Broner did. And he was one pathetic bloke.

He was the one to believe that he was a Money May clone. "Not even CLOSE," I said from day one. "Dat dude outta be gone! He couldn't carry a bucket of Money May's spit. It will be a matter of time that outta him somebody beat da syet."

Do I think that he will be a great? NYET! Do I think that he will be back! DA! Holla!

The Shadow says:

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

I thought you meant him being a liar in his personal life. Completely irrelevant. But honesty in self-assessment? That is critical.

As for his work ethics, I have it from first-hand accounts that he works extremely hard in the gym. They're comparing his work ethic to that of Floyd Mayweather (though that's probably a stretch).

He never fatigues in the gym. If you notice, vs. Maidana it's not as if he fatigues and his output or power diminishes. He's in excellent condition, endurance wise.

Due to the way he gained weight, people think he doesn't work hard. He does. Again, first-hand accounts from the gym.

I've spoken to guys privately, including one big prospect who fights under Mike Tyson, who told me that he thought Broner would beat Floyd and why.

I've heard guys like Tom Bradley and Andre Ward praise him to the point where I at least had to listen to the prospect's assertions.

They told me he would go on insane sparring marathons, 30-minute rounds at high pace with different partners and all kinds of craziness. "He doesn't get tired," prospect said.

One of the guys I spoke to was a middleweight who's part of Emanuel Steward's Kronk krew for one of Klitschko's camps. He's sparred with Banks, Wlad -- who the 154 guy praised wildly for his speed, saying he was much faster than him -- and AB.

I had to at least consider what these guys are saying.

This is the same reason I asked RG a while ago whether someone could be an epic gym fighter and not-so-epic under the bright lights.

Broner's very, very smart in the ring, very tricky. His weakness is his arrogance, lack of activity and opponents giving angles.

All that stuff you see on camera -- flushing money, eating bad etc. -- is for show. I've been there personally during one of bottle-popping binges. He doesn't drink it himself.

He's a buffoon, yes, but he's very dedicated to boxing. He just tried too hard to become a rapper, which will derail your energy focus since a guy like him will do rap to win, not just compete.

Again, where I believe he went wrong is thinking he's greater than he was. This was a very valuable rude awakening for him.

Once he dusts himself off, I'd favor him over guys like Tom Bradley and Whine Manuel Marquez.

Let me stress -- I'm a totally impartial observer. I don't find him to be a cool guy with all his ratchetness at all, although he can be funny on occasion.

While he's not the second coming of Mayweather, I can't help but think he will do well when I look at what people are saying.

Especially when his proclaimed goal is to be the best fighter ever. Mentally, he believes he can, in his core, in his soul, which is what I think is the x-factor. Aim for the stars.

He will at least be champion again.

And FWIW, I think he stops Carlos Molina in eight. And I haven't even seen Molina fight.

Radam G says:

@The Shadow, due to his weight gain, people in da know don't think that he is not a gym hard worker. They know that he is a gym rat during camp.

Due to the gain weight, they know that he is burning out quickly like a falling star in the night's sky, because he is working extra hard because of his bad eating habits. And to make weight.

He is remindful of mid-1980$ great Donald Curry. He would blow up 50 and 60 pounds between bouts just as Broner has been doing. This jive will tax your body, cause you diabete-like syndromes and lack of mental focus.

In other words, it causes you to be lethargic and inattentionally blinded. And in the high level of our game, you need to be alert, stealth and near bullet proof.

And you still might get your arse defeated because of a lotto shot or a bad night because of cheating judges and/or a referee. Holla!

amayseng says:

[QUOTE=Skibbz;47759]Your personality has everything to do with how you do in boxing. So does honesty. I don't think you understand what I mean so I will attempt to explain it to you.

Honesty in a fighter is one of the most important attributes he can possess. After Broner had taken a short beating and been dropped in the second round, he goes back to his corner and says "it's okay calm the f down we got this". He was not being true and honest with himself, and chose to ignore the issue that would plague him all night. You can't lie to yourself in that square circle. Honesty means getting up and putting in the roadwork, putting in all the hours and sticking strictly to the rigours of life as a boxer.

Broner doesn't put in the mileage, he doesn't eat, drink, sleep or think boxing. He eats junk, drinks bad, sleeps little and thinks about flushing money down the toilet. He is a dishonest fighter and dishonest fighters pay for it when it's just themselves and their opponent, just how he paid against Maidana.

Hard worker? I'm sorry but if that's what you call hard work... The guy is never in shape, he sweats his *** off burning off all the fat he accumulates throughout the year.

A fight is the moment of truth. Who did what they were supposed to do, who wants it more, who is prepared to give it their everything to be crowned victor. If you lack honesty and integrity, you will never last in this sport.[/QUOTE]

bingo.

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;47777]@The Shadow, due to his weight gain, people in da know don't think that he is not a gym hard worker. They know that he is a gym rat during camp.

Due to the gain weight, they know that he is burning out quickly like a falling star in the night's sky, because he is working extra hard because of his bad eating habits. And to make weight.

He is remindful of mid-1980$ great Donald Curry. He would blow up 50 and 60 pounds between bouts just as Broner has been doing. This jive will tax your body, cause you diabete-like syndromes and lack of mental focus.

In other words, it causes you to be lethargic and inattentionally blinded. And in the high level of our game, you need to be alert, stealth and near bullet proof.

And you still might get your arse defeated because of a lotto shot or a bad night because of cheating judges and/or a referee. Holla![/QUOTE]

Yup. Hopkins on one side of the spectrum Broner on the other side. No matter how much you work during camp ballooning up between camps takes its toll and shortens a career . Look at James toney . Toney has more skill then Broner and look how he turned out. Remember toney at 160? A beast . Cigars ,fried food and drinking caught up with him. Broner already lost to Deleon and malignaggi in some judges books. Lil Gavin Reese caught him one too many times for a Lil guy. Broner has looked like crap sparring lydell rhoades, that's on YouTube .

the Roast says:

Skibbz is impressing Judge Roast. We have a fast rising star on our hands here.

dino da vinci says:

I don't know, Shadow. There's a place where personality and character overlap. This kid is devoid of character.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=dino da vinci;47797]I don't know, Shadow. There's a place where personality and character overlap. This kid is devoid of character.[/QUOTE]

Not saying I'm buying. Just saying what I hear from people who train with him day in and day out as well as people who have been with him on occasion only.

A lot of times, people conclude off limited information. I would do the same, based off his appearance. (To be fair, they said this before he ballooned up after beating Paulie so his habits could've possibly changed since then.)

I wasn't totally sold on him. All the skill guys like Max Kellerman were talking about, I didn't really see it. But based on the testimonies they gave me, and they weren't even really friends of his, I had to listen and watch a little closer.

Polarizing figures sometimes make us forget the talent they have. During Ali's exile, clearly due to his unpopularity, they didn't even rate him Top 10 heavyweights of all time. After his career was done, they said the Ali pre-exile was the best fighter ever.

Not comparing him to Ali. But watching him act a fool can make it harder to appreciate what he has been able to do so far.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;47777]@The Shadow, due to his weight gain, people in da know don't think that he is not a gym hard worker. They know that he is a gym rat during camp.

Due to the gain weight, they know that he is burning out quickly like a falling star in the night's sky, because he is working extra hard because of his bad eating habits. And to make weight.

He is remindful of mid-1980$ great Donald Curry. He would blow up 50 and 60 pounds between bouts just as Broner has been doing. This jive will tax your body, cause you diabete-like syndromes and lack of mental focus.

In other words, it causes you to be lethargic and inattentionally blinded. And in the high level of our game, you need to be alert, stealth and near bullet proof.

And you still might get your arse defeated because of a lotto shot or a bad night because of cheating judges and/or a referee. Holla![/QUOTE]

Those people I speak to are DEEP in the know. With the rare exception, my source network consists of fighters, not managers and promoters.

As mentioned, however, that was before he ballooned up to 160 and went on a rap tour with Soulja Boy so things could've changed since then.

The Commish says:

We are a little over a month away from Broner's return. Let's not get hysterical here. He's not facing Maidana in a rematch. Molina is a non-puncher who will bring little to the table--or ring--with which to beat, or even threaten Broner.

It's Broner in a cakewalk.

-Randy G.

Skibbz says:

RG was bang on the money with the effects of a bad diet and lack of training. If you attempt to get in shape in camp then you're already steps, in reality miles, behind your opponent. A real fighter is in good nick as he approaches camp. When you start slobbing and mobbing with the wrong crowd.... your performance in the ring will take a huge hit. Too many examples to list, ranging from undisputed champs to low class journeymen.

Doesn't matter who you are, in the sport of boxing you get out what you put in. Broner had some small hurdles and he didn't clear them particularly well, he got soft off big cheques on small performances, then when he met a fighter hungry for what he had he got mugged in brutal and embarrassing fashion.

Broner should have stayed at super feather weight, he could have made a nice name for himself but now he's thrown himself against guys bigger than him who are more natural to the division.

Now they've got him facing Molina. On paper at least he isn't a specialist in getting guys out early, but in reality he's very tough, and always game. After seeing what Maidana did he can't help but be biting at the bit to get in the ring with Broner. He's not gonna plod forward in the same way Maidana did, but he will be banging in much the same way. They have him in there to play gatekeeper, but I don't think Molina will listen.

I disagree Commissioner, sure his defence isn't masterful, but he's tough enough to take punches all the way to the final bell by much more powerful opponents than Broner. He's got the ability to fire back when his opponent flurries and on occassion will catch his opponent clean enough to stop them in their tracks and rethink. It's no cakewalk, if Broner takes that attitute yet again.... It will only be to his demise. If Molina comes out aggressive and looks like the second coming of Maidana... I think Broner will wanna get outa there and fast.

The Shadow says:

Skibbz, he couldn't make 130 anymore. He walks around, when he's fit, ripped and in shape, at 150 pounds. Lightweight or 140 is where it's at.

Skibbz says:

Well I personally think he didn't want to make 130/5 anymore. His bad lifestyle choices and lack of desire to go hungrier once in a while.. At 140 I see him getting chewed up. If he ventures north to 147... I''ll be asking for mercy for him. Proof is in the puddin' and the puddin's in Adrien's belly.

That being said, I heard from a good mate that he's training hard for Molina.. Wants to be Mr Showstopper. No doubt he gets in shape by the night of the fight, but he's making life difficult for himself in my opinion.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Skibbz;47991]Well I personally think he didn't want to make 130/5 anymore. His bad lifestyle choices and lack of desire to go hungrier once in a while.. At 140 I see him getting chewed up. If he ventures north to 147... I''ll be asking for mercy for him. Proof is in the puddin' and the puddin's in Adrien's belly.

That being said, I heard from a good mate that he's training hard for Molina.. Wants to be Mr Showstopper. No doubt he gets in shape by the night of the fight, but he's making life difficult for himself in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

"Proof is in the pudding and the pudding is in Adrien's belly..." <----- LMFAO.

Regarding his hunger, he can't help it. Google his dad.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=Skibbz;47991]Well I personally think he didn't want to make 130/5 anymore. His bad lifestyle choices and lack of desire to go hungrier once in a while.. At 140 I see him getting chewed up. If he ventures north to 147... I''ll be asking for mercy for him. Proof is in the puddin' and the puddin's in Adrien's belly.

That being said, I heard from a good mate that he's training hard for Molina.. Wants to be Mr Showstopper. No doubt he gets in shape by the night of the fight, but he's making life difficult for himself in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Hehehehe! I think the Roast should give you a point for originally of wise cracking. Hahaha! Now was FUNNNNNEEEEE!

Broner cannot buy an out with you. Holla!

the Roast says:

Showtime is showing Maidana-Broner right now. Not the HD channel but it'll do. Kind of impressive Broner made it out of the second round. Not only the knockdown but he got hit at least a dozen times really freakin hard.

dino da vinci says:

[QUOTE=the Roast;48132]Showtime is showing Maidana-Broner right now. Not the HD channel but it'll do. Kind of impressive Broner made it out of the second round. Not only the knockdown but he got hit at least a dozen times really freakin hard.[/QUOTE]

Sort of reminds me of the joke where two friends are sitting watching a Western on television. One friend turns to the other and says, 'I'll bet you $5. that the cowboy rides around the side of the mountain, gets shot and falls off his horse.'

Friend says, 'I'll take that bet'.

Sure enough, cowboy rides around to the side of the mountain, gets shot, and falls off his horse.

The loser of the wager stands up, takes a five dollar bill out of his pocket and tries handing it to his friend.

Friend says, 'I can't take your money, I've seen this movie before.'

The loser says, 'no, go ahead, take it. I've seen it before as well. I just can't believe he goes and gets shot a second time.'

the Roast says:

I had to pause the fight to let the dog out so I just saw the 8th round with the second KD, headbutt by Maidana and delayed attempt to weasel out by Broner. Got to love technology.

dino da vinci says:

I agree with that.

the Roast says:

Wow, Broner flipped off Maidana on his way out of the ring after the decision was announced. I never noticed that before. Noooo class.

I got to go to bed.

This is your ModeRoaster, signing off.

dino da vinci says:

[QUOTE=the Roast;48144]Wow, Broner flipped off Maidana on his way out of the ring after the decision was announced. I never noticed that before. Noooo class.

I got to go to bed.

This is your ModeRoaster, signing off.[/QUOTE]

G'Night tR, get some rest.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=the Roast;48144]Wow, Broner flipped off Maidana on his way out of the ring after the decision was announced. I never noticed that before. Noooo class.

I got to go to bed.

This is your ModeRoaster, signing off.[/QUOTE]

He did?! What an a-hole. Didn't see that.

I liked Maidana's trash talking after the fight. Broner kept saying before the fight how he would make Maidana speak Spanish.

Instead Maidana shot back, "Maybe he will now speak Spanish!" And I lmfao at Maidana brushing Broner's hair while wearing Sergio's plastic crown.

Is that some sort of Argentine import or something?!

He's comedy gold without knowing it.

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