Golovkin-Chavez Jr. not happening is a loss for boxing fans
May 22 2014 4:41 PM
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Gennady Golovkin vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was one of this year's most expected fights. Bob Arum went on to explain that one of the reasons this fight didn't happen was the fact that Chavez Jr. was receiving bad advice.

Whatever the case may be the situation remains that this year boxing fans haven't had many of the fights they've been waiting for and this was definitely one of the them.

Let's hope Chavez Jr., Top Rank and GGG can come to terms and perhaps we can all enjoy this fight later in the year.

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deepwater2 says:

It sure is. Top Rank's offer was very fair. Remember all the time, work and investment TR put into bringing Jr up. Failed drug tests and weight issues aside TR has stood by JC since the start. Enter The Shadow – Al Haymon after the Vera fight , and here we are. Chavez is under a TR contract until 10/15 so I hope he makes a smart move and makes a fight instead of demanding more and staying inactive.

oubobcat says:

This is definitely a bummer that this fight is not happening. I will say though Golovkin-Geale is not a bad second choice and has one huge advantage. It will not be PPV so we can save a few bucks.

Haymon is definitely in Chavez's ear. Haymon sees a lot of money to be made with Chavez in the Super Middleweight division fighting less formidable foes than Golovkin. And he has let Chavez know just that.

brownsugar says:

Aside from the spectacle of watching the partially committed, marijuana huffing, semi-spoiled son of a boxing icon getting pummled from pillar to post, I don't feel that too much is being lost here.

Chavez has virtually no amateur career and built his resume' headlining Arums' all Mexican Shows against no-hopers on pay per view, some of which he fought while being completely out of shape and was awarded gift decisions for $29.99 a pop to the viewer.

Some of the poorest quality shows I've ever witnessed.

Granted Chavez grew into a beast of a banger due to his ability to boil down from a natural cruiserweight to middleweight before rehydrating all the way back to cruiserweight overnight.

But Chavez has nothing to offer the heavily decorated former amateur who fought 350 times against some of the best names to ever grace the middle and supermiddleweight divisions. Including names like Dirrell, Bute, Pirog and Korobov.

I think the fight would have been wildly entertaining… But aside from the accolades and bragging rights eventually garnered by GGG, the fight holds zero mystery in regards to the outcome.

Its disappointing to see a GGG opponent fall out of a fight due to how hard it is for GGG to secure a name opponent. But I think Geale is a more legitimate challenger and I will be looking forward to learning that the contracts have been signed for an upcoming bout.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;53422]Aside from the spectacle of watching the partially committed, marijuana huffing, semi-spoiled son of a boxing icon getting pummled from pillar to post, I don't feel that too much is being lost here.

Chavez has virtually no amateur career and built his resume' headlining Arums' all Mexican Shows against no-hopers on pay per view, some of which he fought while being completely out of shape and was awarded gift decisions for $29.99 a pop to the viewer.

Some of the poorest quality shows I've ever witnessed.

Granted Chavez grew into a beast of a banger due to his ability to boil down from a natural cruiserweight to middleweight before rehydrating all the way back to cruiserweight overnight.

But Chavez has nothing to offer the heavily decorated former amateur who fought 350 times against some of the best names to ever grace the middle and supermiddleweight divisions. Including names like Dirrell, Bute, Pirog and Korobov.

I think the fight would have been wildly entertaining… But aside from the accolades and bragging rights eventually garnered by GGG, the fight holds zero mystery in regards to the outcome.

Its disappointing to see a GGG opponent fall out of a fight due to how hard it is for GGG to secure a name opponent. But I think Geale is a more legitimate challenger and I will be looking forward to learning that the contracts have been signed for an upcoming bout.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It's a completely overrated match-up with little suspense. Boxing fans lose little to nothing here. Canelo-Lara is a far better match. So is GGG-Geale, just like you said, or Quillin for that matter.

The whole thing seems like a nice, convenient opportunity to blame certain guys for “obstructionism.” Because Sugar, you're right. People are acting like this a big match that fell through. It's really a public spanking of a spoiled brat.

And fans are kinda sadistic with it; they say it's fascinating because Chavez has a good chin. Is it really good to have a good chin against a punishing puncher like Golovkin?! Seems sadistic.

To be honest, I think the reason Top Rank is willing to match him up so tough is so they can get co-promotional rights (options) to Golovkin. Chavez is a big draw and generates money for Top Rank but also a bit of a headache.

It's smart business.

But it's just as smart for JCC to protect himself. He gains little from beating Golovkin. People will just downplay Golovkin or attribute it to size. He's better off going for the WBC belt vs. Bika and later taking on Froch.

It really looks similar to when TR offered Floyd $8m to fight Margarito and everyone called it a such a great offer and even ignorantly and foolishly called it ducking when he declined (and later made $11m fighting for the real welterweight championship, $25m vs. Oscar and the rest is history…).

People failed to realize that offer for that mediocre matchup came with an extension — just like the Chavez one did.

And we all know how bad that turned out for Floyd…(I'm being facetious.)

So no, it's not really a loss for anyone, maybe except Golovkin, K2 and TR and fans who want to see Chavez beat up.

On the money, Suge. You're the man.

oubobcat says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;53425]Exactly. It's a completely overrated match-up with little suspense. Boxing fans lose little to nothing here. Canelo-Lara is a far better match. So is GGG-Geale, just like you said, or Quillin for that matter.

The whole thing seems like a nice, convenient opportunity to blame certain guys for “obstructionism.” Because Sugar, you're right. People are acting like this a big match that fell through. It's really a public spanking of a spoiled brat.

And fans are kinda sadistic with it; they say it's fascinating because Chavez has a good chin. Is it really good to have a good chin against a punishing puncher like Golovkin?! Seems sadistic.

To be honest, I think the reason Top Rank is willing to match him up so tough is so they can get co-promotional rights (options) to Golovkin. Chavez is a big draw and generates money for Top Rank but also a bit of a headache.

It's smart business.

But it's just as smart for JCC to protect himself. He gains little from beating Golovkin. People will just downplay Golovkin or attribute it to size. He's better off going for the WBC belt vs. Bika and later taking on Froch.

It really looks similar to when TR offered Floyd $8m to fight Margarito and everyone called it a such a great offer and even ignorantly and foolishly called it ducking.

People failed to realize that offer for that mediocre matchup came with an extension — just like the Chavez one did.

And we all know how that turned out…

So no, it's not really a loss for anyone, maybe except Golovkin, K2 and TR and fans who want to see Chavez beat up.

On the money, Suge. You're the man.[/QUOTE]

There is no doubt in my mind Haymon is in Chavez's ear (or those representing Haymon). They are advising him strongly to side step Golovkin for the good of his career. Haymon believes Chavez can make a lot of money (I mean a lot of money) fighting lesser names in much easier fights.

I think they want to match Chavez with Periban in his first fight with them. They are promising big bucks for this fight which on paper would be fan friendly but one Chavez should easily handle.

Then they target a belt. It probably will be the WBC belt where Chavez is ranked #1. I see first Bika (the beltholder) facing Anthony Dirrell in a rematch with the winner getting Chavez down the line.

By this time, win or lose to Groves, Froch will still be a name but a bit older. This could be 18 to 24 months down the line mind you. So they target him for a defense (or unification fight),thinking Chavez can easily handle an older Froch and make quite a bit of money doing so.

Then they set up a mandatory, unless its Gilberto Ramirez (a good looking Top Rank prospect). They hope the mandatory is easy or they target another belt from someone they feel they can easily handle.

This roadmap that I think is being presented to Chavez is much easier and in the long haul more profitable than the Golovkin route. Chavez likes things handed to him on a silver platter. We all know this and so does Haymon. Make no mistake, he is in Chavez's ear with such a proposal and Chavez badly wants to take this route.

deepwater2 says:

If Chavez Jr took out GGG it would be huge and the whole boxing world would stand up and applaud such an effort. Saying that it would be no big deal is the understatement of the year. Fans like to see top guys fight top guys while still in their primes. If anyone thinks this deal is a bad one then please speak up.

“There is no update but the point is that I thought that we made a crazy, unbelievable offer to Chavez for the Golovkin fight. It called for the Golovkin fight to pay him a minimum $7 million, and if he lost that fight, we guaranteed him another fight for $5 million. Now if he beat Golovkin, then we would pay him a minimum for his next fight of $10 million,” said Arum, whose Top Rank contract runs through October 2015 with Chavez.

“So we would…do these two fights, and the minimum he would make is $12 million, and if he was successful, $17 million plus. He turned that offer down. So we offered him a one-fight offer at considerably less money but still better than what Golovkin accepted for the fight and he turned that down. So obviously, he doesn't want the fight and we go on with our business.”

The Shadow says:

Yeah, almost an identical offer to the one made to Mayweather… But it comes with an extension. Which is what Bob should do. But Chavez doesn't need a promoter at this stage.

But this is hardly a case of a top guy fighting a top guy. It's a top draw fighting a top talent. Like Sugar says, there is no mystery regarding the outcome.

You are right, Deep — if Chavez were to beat GGG he would prove a lot to a lot of people. And that is always cool when someone exceeds expectations.

But it's interesting to see how people choose to look at it that way. Because before Mayweather fought Maidana, people — especially Bob Arum — was tearing that match to shreds because it was a supposed mismatch. This is hardly a mega fight. It wasn't even one of the top 5 or maybe even 10 fights of the year.

Bobcat, you nailed it. That's a roadmap right there. What fighter wouldn't take that route? Especially when they're being shown the way to riches.

$7m may seem like a good deal in isolation, but if that $47m is true, then why should he take a loss, lose market value over a fight that really only benefits GGG and TR, then what's the problem turning it down?

A fight in the Forum is decent but damn, a unifcation blockbuster with Froch in the UK in front of 80,000 for a cool $10-15m? Come on…

But let's see how this all plays out.

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;53434]Yeah, almost an identical offer to the one made to Mayweather… But it comes with an extension. Which is what Bob should do. But Chavez doesn't need a promoter at this stage.

You might think Chavez doesn't need a promoter at this stage but a promoter made him the fighter he is today. He was financed and matched in the proper way to bring him to this point in his career. He is also under contract to this promoter until 10/15 . Contracts matter . Multi-fight deals are in place for a reason. Some music promoters/boxing promoters/boxing managers/boxing advisers like to come around the scene after the original promoter has already helped build the product. TR took a risk and that counts for something too because many fighters don't make it to this level. They also stood by despite the DWI/drug use/weight issues and have delivered big fights time and time again. Legends take risky fights and grow even in defeat.

Skibbz says:

This fight not happening now is a shame although nothing that doesn't happen isn't loss, it could still be made in the future. They've wet the appetites, now they're going to build on the hype and the fighters and will probably make it happen some time in the future.

It's a shame that we don't get to see it sooner because this fight could have catapulted Golovkin smack bang in the middle of the wider boxing audience. By KOing Chavez Jr fans would be wanting to see a whole lot more and finally the big fights may just start happening with Golovkin… Now who knows how much longer we have to wait.

thegreyman says:

Golovkin is the sort of fighter that is exciting to watch, no matter the opponent. When you watch Golovkin, you're hoping to see the man opposite him battered down by the irresistibly powerful Ukrainian. You're expecting Golovkin by KO sooner or later. When you have someone like Golovkin; someone who can apparently steam roll through virtually anyone you can think of at 160, or even 165, then I think the main desire from the fans is to see him matched against worthy opposition, to bring the best out of him, to see how far he can go, and ultimately to just showcase those skills at the highest level.

I will only be disappointed with Golovkin's opponents if they are not up to scratch, rather then if they are called Chavez jr or not. Too right I want to see GGG against the biggest names at middleweight, but Chavez is far from being the first on my list of 'big names' in the division. Rather than getting hung up on him fighting Chavez or not, I'd sooner see him against the likes of Ward, Canelo or the winner of Froch vs Groves.

Why settle for second best?

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=thegreyman;53475]Golovkin is the sort of fighter that is exciting to watch, no matter the opponent. When you watch Golovkin, you're hoping to see the man opposite him battered down by the irresistibly powerful Ukrainian. You're expecting Golovkin by KO sooner or later. When you have someone like Golovkin; someone who can apparently steam roll through virtually anyone you can think of at 160, or even 165, then I think the main desire from the fans is to see him matched against worthy opposition, to bring the best out of him, to see how far he can go, and ultimately to just showcase those skills at the highest level.

I will only be disappointed with Golovkin's opponents if they are not up to scratch, rather then if they are called Chavez jr or not. Too right I want to see GGG against the biggest names at middleweight, but Chavez is far from being the first on my list of 'big names' in the division. Rather than getting hung up on him fighting Chavez or not, I'd sooner see him against the likes of Ward, Canelo or the winner of Froch vs Groves.

Why settle for second best?[/QUOTE]

If GGG comes to the UK to fight Froch or Groves it would be a great watch. Would be nice to see him in there against DeGale too. Those three look to be busy with each other for the time being.. Who knows what if we see Canelo GGG one day.. I think that would be a sell out. So many great match ups in and around the middleweight division.

A quick side point.. How do you guys think GGG would have done against Nigel Benn? Benn would be coming to take his head clean off, and GGG isn't a defensive wizard!

The Commish says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;53373]It sure is. Top Rank's offer was very fair. Remember all the time, work and investment TR put into bringing Jr up. Failed drug tests and weight issues aside TR has stood by JC since the start. Enter The Shadow – Al Haymon after the Vera fight , and here we are. Chavez is under a TR contract until 10/15 so I hope he makes a smart move and makes a fight instead of demanding more and staying inactive.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute! Is our very own The Shadow really Al Haymon???!!!

-Randy G.