Bradley – Chaves scored a Draw
Dec 14 2014 5:23 AM
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The Timothy Bradley vs. Diego Chaves fight was scored as a split draw by the judges, this December 20 at the Cosmopolitan in Las Vegas, Nevada. judge: Burt A. Clements 115-113 in favor of Bradley | judge: Julie Lederman 112-116 in favor of Chaves | judge: Craig Metcalfe 114-114 a draw.

HBO BoxingFinal #BradleyChaves CompuBox totals:

@TimBradleyJr – 225/572
@LaJoyaChaves – 152/570
in total punches landed

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oubobcat says:

This was unfortunately a weekend of bad decisions in the sport.

Bradley clearly controlled the early rounds in this fight and built a sizable lead on the cards. Chaves did come on strong and probably won the last two rounds with a couple other later rounds. I can't see though giving him more than four rounds and absolutely five at the most. But 116-112 for Chaves, there is no possible way.

We had three televised fights this weekend that ended in poor decisions. The worst was actually the fight on ESPN that was one of the worst decisions in my opinion in recent memory and not getting nearly as much press as the bigger fights from this weekend. Tyson Cave completely out boxed Oscar Escandon yet ended up losing a split decision. The fight was not close, not close at all. Escandon could not land and could not get off much of the fight. Cave boxed beautifully and decisively won the fight. Yet lost a split decision in which one judge, Raul Caiz Jr., actually only gave him three rounds. Cave only winning three rounds was impossible which really makes you wonder how Caiz Jr. came up with that card…

And of course we had Mauricio Herrera once again getting hosed in a fight that he should have won for the 2nd time this year.

As fans, many of us watched those three fights and know without a doubt who won. But the one who won did not get the win. Why is this the case when we all know who won? Its time something gets done about the scoring of fights. The system needs to change.

I think personally all ideas need to be thrown out on the table and discussed. Why, for example, is there not a grading system for judges? It should be easy enough to implement. There needs to start being some accountability. These judges are affecting the livelihood's of so many fighters and yet are not being held accountable at all for their work. This would be a start at least.

Second, and this may sound crazy, but I think the commissions need to come out and acknowledge when a mistake was made. The result won't change but at least its something for the fighter who was wronged. It has happened before. Remember after Paul Williams got the decision over Erislandy Lara in Atlantic City that the commission there suspended all three judges in that fight. They did not publicly state a mistake was made but their action spoke loud and clear. I would even take this a step further and say in title fights when this occurs that a rematch is ordered (so we would have Cave-Escandon II along with Herrera-Benavidez II) with the title belt vacant and the “wronged” fighter getting the champions higher percentage if the fight should go to purse bid.

Pazuzu says:

[QUOTE=oubobcat;72214]This was unfortunately a weekend of bad decisions in the sport.

Bradley clearly controlled the early rounds in this fight and built a sizable lead on the cards. Chaves did come on strong and probably won the last two rounds with a couple other later rounds. I can't see though giving him more than four rounds and absolutely five at the most. But 116-112 for Chaves, there is no possible way.

We had three televised fights this weekend that ended in poor decisions. The worst was actually the fight on ESPN that was one of the worst decisions in my opinion in recent memory and not getting nearly as much press as the bigger fights from this weekend. Tyson Cave completely out boxed Oscar Escandon yet ended up losing a split decision. The fight was not close, not close at all. Escandon could not land and could not get off much of the fight. Cave boxed beautifully and decisively won the fight. Yet lost a split decision in which one judge, Raul Caiz Jr., actually only gave him three rounds. Cave only winning three rounds was impossible which really makes you wonder how Caiz Jr. came up with that card…

And of course we had Mauricio Herrera once again getting hosed in a fight that he should have won for the 2nd time this year.

As fans, many of us watched those three fights and know without a doubt who won. But the one who won did not get the win. Why is this the case when we all know who won? Its time something gets done about the scoring of fights. The system needs to change.

I think personally all ideas need to be thrown out on the table and discussed. Why, for example, is there not a grading system for judges? It should be easy enough to implement. There needs to start being some accountability. These judges are affecting the livelihood's of so many fighters and yet are not being held accountable at all for their work. This would be a start at least.

Second, and this may sound crazy, but I think the commissions need to come out and acknowledge when a mistake was made. The result won't change but at least its something for the fighter who was wronged. It has happened before. Remember after Paul Williams got the decision over Erislandy Lara in Atlantic City that the commission there suspended all three judges in that fight. They did not publicly state a mistake was made but their action spoke loud and clear. I would even take this a step further and say in title fights when this occurs that a rematch is ordered (so we would have Cave-Escandon II along with Herrera-Benavidez II) with the title belt vacant and the “wronged” fighter getting the champions higher percentage if the fight should go to purse bid.[/QUOTE]

Good points, bobcat.

How would you structure the grading systems?

Commish: any thoughts on this subject you care to share? (though I'm sure you've expounded on this topic chapter and verse on previous occasions.)

I'd argue for similar accountability for the refs. I was ringside for the Khan – Peterson fight a couple of years back. khan was absolutely robbed. Deducted for two points, without warning, for minimal pushing.

I was glad to see him awarded a clear and well-deserved UD this weekend.