#Boxing Things I can live without: Enough with the Mayweather-Pacquiao talk
Sep 24 2014 10:58 PM
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Al Bernstein brings us a new edition of “Things I can live without”:
Mayweather vs. Pacquiao talk
Bad Scorecards
Promises fighters' don't keep

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Radam G says:

Wow! All right then. Money May has never wanted any of Da Manny. You have finally caught up, A-Be. Holla!

The Commish says:

Three great topics, Al. The consistent bad scorecards we are seeing irks me to no end. It makes fans say things like “That judge had to have been on-the-take or just plain incompetent.” Well, I seriously doubt Robert Hoyle was on the take. So, what's left? Oh, he messed up. That was some mess-up! His mess-up cost a man his world title. bWhat was Hoyle watching? What are all these judges who turn in ridiculous scorecards watching? I don't think suspensions are the answer. Revocation of their judge's license just may bge the answer. These guys are pros. They know what they are looking at. There is no way Mickey Bey took that fight by a 119-109 score. If it was up to me, a score like that would mean a vacation for the judge…a permanent one!

-Randy G.

oubobcat says:

[QUOTE=The Commish;65436]Three great topics, Al. The consistent bad scorecards we are seeing irks me to no end. It makes fans say things like “That judge had to have been on-the-take or just plain incompetent.” Well, I seriously doubt Robert Hoyle was on the take. So, what's left? Oh, he messed up. That was some mess-up! His mess-up cost a man his world title. bWhat was Hoyle watching? What are all these judges who turn in ridiculous scorecards watching? I don't think suspensions are the answer. Revocation of their judge's license just may bge the answer. These guys are pros. They know what they are looking at. There is no way Mickey Bey took that fight by a 119-109 score. If it was up to me, a score like that would mean a vacation for the judge…a permanent one!

-Randy G.[/QUOTE]

I am with you on the 119-109 score from Robert Hoyle.

I thought Vazquez won the fight but there were some close rounds so I could see close divergent scorecards possible. But Miguel Vazquez winning just one round. That's impossible. As I said I don't like his style but I hate bad scorecards that effect the lives of fighters even more.

Yes it was a bad fight and Miguel Vazquez doesn't have the most appealing style in the world. But there should be a much louder outcry into this scorecard then there is at the moment. Was it filled out before the fight? A legitimate question to ask in this case.

If Bey had won on that card 115-113, I'd be more understanding though I wouldn't necessarily agree. One round to Miguel Vazquez in that fight though, give me a break and come on commission there needs to be a full investigation for the fighter and the fans with the results made public.

Skibbz says:

Scorecards that wildly careless should result in an anchor being attached to the Judge and a forced plunge in the middle of the lake. We don't need any of that nonsense in this sport, it happens too much at every level unfortunately but with every new age and generation people have to go to start trying to tidy up the sport.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;65420]Wow! All right then. Money May has never wanted any of Da Manny. You have finally caught up, A-Be. Holla![/QUOTE]

If I jump through hoops to get a chick's number and then call her MYSELF — even though I have wingmen to do my dirty work — better believe ya boy wants to hit that.

Listen to the Alien: “My ears don't work but my eyes do.”

Make no mistake about it, from one G to another: Money May wants to smash that dude. Real bad.

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65755]If I jump through hoops to get a chick's number and then call her MYSELF — even though I have wingmen to do my dirty work — better believe ya boy wants to hit that.

Listen to the Alien: “My ears don't work but my eyes do.”

Make no mistake about it, from one G to another: Money May wants to smash that dude. Real bad.[/QUOTE]

Not bad enough it seems.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65755]If I jump through hoops to get a chick's number and then call her MYSELF — even though I have wingmen to do my dirty work — better believe ya boy wants to hit that.

Listen to the Alien: “My ears don't work but my eyes do.”

Make no mistake about it, from one G to another: Money May wants to smash that dude. Real bad.[/QUOTE]

We cannot always have what we want. Money May never wanted Da Manny from the start. He knows that Da Manny/3m would tear him apart. I salute Money May for being smart. Money May has been very smart in listening to Pops Joy May. Thus, on the top of the pound-for-pound mythical belief, Money May can stay. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;65763]We cannot always have what we want. Money May never wanted Da Manny from the start. He knows that Da Manny/3m would tear him apart. I salute Money May for being smart. Money May has been very smart in listening to Pops Joy May. Thus, on the top of the pound-for-pound mythical belief, Money May can stay. Holla![/QUOTE]

If you have the gall to make the call, it's certainly not to stall. He wants to make Da Manny fall and then go to the club and ball.

In this game of poker, Money May was bold. He even offered Da Manny his biggest pot of gold! He wants to fight for free but still wasn't sold? If Da Manny wasn't bluffing, then why would he fold?

To the boxing public at large, Da Manny looked like a test. But to Money May he looked like a diet of test. Then the dear Manny refused the test! Big fear of needles, is that really the best?

Every advance from Money, Da Manny refused. Instead of taking the fight he gets up and sues. With a recent fight ending in a snooze, could it be that Da Manny's afraid to lose?

The Shadow says:

You know I love you but it is what it is. There's not an ounce of trepidation in his heart, not a single bit of worry.

And it is not even a remotely competitive match, anyone who parks their bias knows that. It would be one of the biggest PPV mismatches in recent history, sort of like Lewis-Tyson, where the myth of someone's power (which is non-existent, really) causes people to believe.

While everyone was riding this super high in 2011, predicting Marquez would get slaughtered in one round and that not even God would be able to help Marquez, I was one of the few media who actually predicted Pacquiao-Marquez III.

Styles make fights and that style will never bring out the best in Pacquiao.

It wouldn't have been competitive in '09. And it's straight up damnatio ad bestias today.

That said, he's a sensational fighter and one of my favorites to watch. Just keep him the hell away from Marquez and Floyd.

[I]”A really intelligent boxing fan would understand that people like Keith Thurman and Amir Khan are more dangerous to Floyd Mayweather than Manny Pacquiao at this level, at this point.”[/I] – Paulie Malignaggi

But here's a match-up: Manny Pacquiao vs. Kell Brook.

Radam G says:

Money May is semi streetish. He can read who is a bit scare of him — but Amerkano scare — and who is not. This is why he didn't fight the late, great Vernon “The Viper” Forrest at a catchweight or Tony “The Tijuana Tornado” Margarito or even weakling Kermit Cintron.

See Lil' Floyd grabbed Vicious(less) Victor Ortiz around the throat and put the choke on him. But he would've gotten TFPed by the two pugs above or Chino, Canelo, the Cali Ghost and many other pugs.

In a Money May-Da Manny/3m staredown, if Money May put his hands on Da Manny/3m, Money May would see a side of Da Manny/3m that naive-and-stereotyping people don't know exist. Da Manny would literally attempt to commit homicide right there onstage against Money May. Money May's big uglies and goons would not be able to get Da Manny/3m off Money May. Matter of fact, there would be tons of Pinoys whuppin' their arses.

With the punk-arse tough-guy U.S. mainland street behavior of Money May, one better not let him be within sticking distance around Da Manny/3m without a wall of security guard around similar to the haps with Lennox Lewis and “Iron” Mike Tyson back in da day.

Man, because of non-U.S. voice diction of a lot pugs, the street-punk tough guys and wannabe tough guys think that we guys with Asian and European accents are weak and or scare of them. NYET! Too many Yanks — boksing ones — have gotten their arse torn up from da floor for messed-up-in-da-cranium thinking.

Evybodee and dey momma should watch what they wish for, because they may just get it. And it is never as they thought it would be.

Again, Money May is smart. He has listened to Pops Joy May and not wanted Da Manny from the start. Da Manny has always been clean. But is boksing mean. He would crush Money May like a jelly bean. It would be like a murder scene. It is not Money May, but Da Manny/3m who is the creme de la creme. Holla!

The Shadow says:

What side is that? Back facing up while he lies asleep from a pull-counter strike? Hehehe, I couldn't help it.

I'm following what you're saying, he can sense for sure who he can put his hands on. But Money May isn't a street thug, he doesn't put fear in the heart of anyone.

That's his whole thing, the gap between your expectations relative to the actual outcome is so large that your soul leaves your body. Poof, gone. Off to coke you go.

As for the Viper, Vernon Forrest wasn't feasible, you know that. They were 14-24 pounds apart. By the time Mayweather was fighting in the division, the dude wasn't a perceived threat of any kind, I think he was busy losing to Mora?

(Besides, Floyd would beat that dude with ridiculous ease, had they ever fought.)

Margarito, same thing. He wasn't relevant. No duck. Bob Arum propaganda. But I'm beating a dead horse there. Cintron? Oh, please.

Seriously though, is Pacquiao really a bada$$ like that?

Radam G says:

As GOAT Ali has said tons of times, “A great fighter has to be a good con-artist and psychologist.” Money May has passed the test, and so has Da Manny, as the GOAT and the late, greats “Smoke” and “Mandingo movie-acting” Kenny Norton did. They both fooled the GOAT into arse thrashings. Money May — because of his Pops Joy May and Uncle Roger May — are smarter than they.

He doesn't want any of Da Manny. And never has. But you guys keep HIGH HOPES alive. because Money May is known to be hardheaded. He might just become delusional and start listening to the outsiders instead of PJM and URM. And the world will see how easy Money May was to beat.

The Goliath tude never changes. Big-ole arse Goliath was listening to punk-arse street bytches to whup David's little arse. And we know what happened. History is such a repeating bytch. All Money May has to do is step, and away his arse will be swept. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;65769]As GOAT Ali has said tons of times, “A great fighter has to be a good con-artist and psychologist.” Money May has passed the test, and so has Da Manny, as the GOAT and the late, greats “Smoke” and “Mandingo movie-acting” Kenny Norton did. They both fooled the GOAT into arse thrashings. Money May — because of his Pops Joy May and Uncle Roger May — are smarter than they.

He doesn't want any of Da Manny. And never has. But you guys keep HIGH HOPES alive. because Money May is known to be hardheaded. He might just become delusional and start listening to the outsiders instead of PJM and URM. And the world will see how easy Money May was to beat.

The Goliath tude never changes. Big-ole arse Goliath was listening to punk-arse street bytches to whup David's little arse. And we know what happened. History is such a repeating bytch. All Money May has to do is step, and away his arse will be swept. Holla![/QUOTE]

If he didn't really want him, why did he call him? Why did he compromise with the 50-50? With the date (March instead of May)? Why did he compromise with the test? Why did he bother meeting with his roody poo adviser in Vegas who said that Bob Arum was taken care of?

And if Manny (ie. Manny's promoter) really wanted it, why did they leave the negotiating table?

Why sue a guy for requesting a test if you really want to fight?

Why did they tell the mediator they weren't interested in spite of telling the public Mayweather was the first priority?

Why did he turn down a record purse after saying money didn't matter?

Why do they always talk about Floyd when they have a fight yet refuse to talk calls?

Why does he list up a thousand demands, including who would put up his purse, that he sign with Don King, that they use WADA not USADA (anyone who does a little research should know exactly how asinine that particular statement is), how they need to build a stadium because they're leaving $20 million on the table in gate money (again, anyone who does even a bit of research knows how utterly moronic that statement is; and Arum is no moron so guess who he thinks is) etc.?

Why does he tell lie after lie after lie after lie?

Believe your eyes not your ears.

Everything Floyd has said since is in response to the ridiculous roadblocks that have been built while they piggy backed and made millions off Floyd's name and that's a fact.

Arum knows exactly what he's dealing with in Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Trust me! He don't want that work.

I always thought Pacquiao did, though. But now I'm not so sure. He's been ducking Floyd like someone in the witness protection program for half a decade.

Radam G says:

Money May called Da Manny because Money May was perpetrating a fraud for later to pretend that really he wanted to fight Da Manny, but a Jew and the Canadian Shadow were protecting Da Manny. Money May and Pops Joy May never, ever wanted to fight Da Manny. They wanna be street and bullsyet with. So they are some fraud-committing rachet-acting hood he bytches.

Money May did a mainland USA street-thug-bluff thing. Those in da loop know da poop. Money May is full of syet and spit, not show and tell. He is scared as hell.

Especially when he takes a peeping-tom look into history. Gentleman Jim Corbett was tough with “syet talking to foreigner Bob FitzSimmons and got KTFO.

The young “Brown Bomber” Joe Louis got the same with his tough tude with Max Schmeling.

Let's stroll through history and like scary-arse Lil' Floyd and PJM do and holla at some more:

Sugar Ray Robinson got upset by “no chance” Randy Turpin.

Floyd Patterson got it done to him by Ingemar Johansson.

Co¢ky-arse Mike Dokes got put to sleep by “the South African foreigner” Gerrie Coetzee.

Lloyd Honeygan p¡$$ed on Don Curry's parade.

“Iron” Mike got fudged up by the “foreigner” — Lennox Lewis — that he called a “homo, gay bytch.”

Pinoy Luisito Espinoza knocked out the ¢o¢ksure “Imma f*** diz-Filipino-up” Kennedy McKinney.

Da Manny upset with Big Money Oscar and retired him. [The same that he would to Money May's arse.]

Lastly, but not the least, “No white boy is gonna beat me” Joe Calzaghe did arse thrashing toasts on “Left-Hook” Lacy, “Superman” Roy Jones Jr and B-Hop.

Syet-talking, excuse-making Money May will be another got-his-noise-talking arse whupped on dat long-history trail of no-way-you-can-beat-them Amerkanos. Holla!

Radam G says:

Money May was even complaining about “why should [he] fight Pakcow [$¡¢]?”

“He is a foreigner that can't even speak English,” Money May rambled away. “I want Americans to get my money, not a foreigner. Pakcow is gonna take money outta of America.

” F*** him! Tell him to make me some sushi.” And sushi is not even a Pinoy's type of food.

I'm not making any of this up. Money May is the Sugar Ray Robinson of our times: stealth ratchet — and generally trifling — with those whom he is scared to pug down with. No hate! Anybody and his unbiased sidekick can find Money May's _____ s*** on YouTube, Daily Motion and Worldstarhiphop. Money May is a paradox in a half.

I give it up to Money May. He can fool and use as a tool and toilet stool some of the people all the time until he runs outta time. If he fights Da Manny, he is going get his arse whupped. And immediately claim that it was “because they didn't want me to break Rocky Marciano's record,” he will say while crying and snotting like a putting-on-a-charade hood rat. Holla!

Radam G says:

Okay! Enough about Da Manny and Lil' Floyd until Lil' Floyd, Pops Joy May and Uncle Roger May start telling the whole nine of the truth. Holla!

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65768]What side is that? Back facing up while he lies asleep from a pull-counter strike? Hehehe, I couldn't help it.

I'm following what you're saying, he can sense for sure who he can put his hands on. But Money May isn't a street thug, he doesn't put fear in the heart of anyone.

That's his whole thing, the gap between your expectations relative to the actual outcome is so large that your soul leaves your body. Poof, gone. Off to coke you go.

As for the Viper, Vernon Forrest wasn't feasible, you know that. They were 14-24 pounds apart. By the time Mayweather was fighting in the division, the dude wasn't a perceived threat of any kind, I think he was busy losing to Mora?

(Besides, Floyd would beat that dude with ridiculous ease, had they ever fought.)

Margarito, same thing. He wasn't relevant. No duck. Bob Arum propaganda. But I'm beating a dead horse there. Cintron? Oh, please.

Seriously though, is Pacquiao really a bada$$ like that?[/QUOTE]

I know things between Cintron and Mayweather that may never be reported if no one ever find some unknown footage. And Money May indeed kept ducking Margarito when Margarito was dangerous. At the time, Money May was making a mil and would not fight “The Tijuana Tornado for $8mil. And that is the one thing about history, a sucker can deny it all. Money May does fine. But Uncle Roger May always snitch by saying his nephew would have problems with Paul Williams, Margarito, Cintron,Forrest “and any tall, long bytch like them. So why fight 'em? F*** 'em! Even thought my nephew beat Diego Corrales, but Corrales never used his reach or size….” Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;65793]I know things between Cintron and Mayweather that may never be reported if no one ever find some unknown footage. And Money May indeed kept ducking Margarito when Margarito was dangerous. At the time, Money May was making a mil and would not fight “The Tijuana Tornado for $8mil. And that is the one thing about history, a sucker can deny it all. Money May does fine. But Uncle Roger May always snitch by saying his nephew would problems with Paul Williams, Margarito, Cintron,Forrest “and any tall, long bytch like them. So why fight 'em? F*** 'em! Even thought my nephew beat Diego Corrales, but Corrales never his reach or size….” Holla![/QUOTE]

Love the history breakdown. I'd love to hear what you got on Cintron.

Ducking Margarito is an Arum perpetuated lie — what else is new? — but is an easily spotted fallacy.

1) Margarito was in possession of the fringe WBO while Mayweather was being criticized for not fighting the lineal champion.

2) Rob Arum offered him $8 million WITH an extension.

3) Mayweather earned $12 million to fight Baldomir for the real title, not the useless WBO, AND break free from Top Rank.

4) As a result, Arum claimed he ducked him, trying to devalue Mayweather on his way out while boosting his asset Margarito. It's his MO. It's the equivalent of guys in the WWF losing every match on the way out before signing with a new promoter.

No sensible argument can be made that he ducked him. Zero.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65795]Love the history breakdown. I'd love to hear what you got on Cintron.

Ducking Margarito is an Arum perpetuated lie — what else is new? — but is an easily spotted fallacy.

1) Margarito was in possession of the fringe WBO while Mayweather was being criticized for not fighting the lineal champion.

2) Rob Arum offered him $8 million WITH an extension.

3) Mayweather earned $12 million to fight Baldomir for the real title, not the useless WBO, AND break free from Top Rank.

4) As a result, Arum claimed he ducked him, trying to devalue Mayweather on his way out while boosting his asset Margarito. It's his MO. It's the equivalent of guys in the WWF losing every match on the way out before signing with a new promoter.

No sensible argument can be made that he ducked him. Zero.[/QUOTE]

Not quite true about Money May. He fought Baldomir for 3.5mil and the corrupted WBC title that Baldomir paid the sanctioning for after he beat Judah who kept the fringed IBF. Judah then lost that worthless belt to Money May. The lineal champ during that time was WBA champ Miguel Cotto who eventually lost his belt to Margarito.

Money May was a paper champ of the crooked WBC and the trifling, always shady IBF. Money May has never become lineal welterweight until he beat Chino Maidana. Da game is full of optical illusions.

Margarito was indeed the lineal who lost to Shane Mosley. Sorry! But Money May has only been lineal champion at lightweight. Holla!

Radam G says:

Of course, at this time, he's lineal champion at welterweight, but a paper champion at light middleweight. Holla!

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65768]What side is that? Back facing up while he lies asleep from a pull-counter strike? Hehehe, I couldn't help it.

I'm following what you're saying, he can sense for sure who he can put his hands on. But Money May isn't a street thug, he doesn't put fear in the heart of anyone.

Seriously though, is Pacquiao really a bada$$ like that?[/QUOTE]

Money May sure put a street punk-bytch choke on Vicious(less) Victor Ortiz's throat. And YES! Da Manny is “a really a bada$$ like that.” If Money May and other pugs put their hand on Da Manny at a stare down, he will indeed break their pucking balls and eardrums. And probably pluck out their d@mn eyeballs.

Da Manny grew up in Mindanao, where rebels and separatists have been going at it for a century or so.

He used to sell what Yanks would call biscuits to rebels, separatists, the army, cops and thieves. At nine and 10 year old, he was beating da hebejeebeez outta grown drunk-arse, strung-out-on-drugs men.

The mild-mannered Manny P is not a person you pick on or at. He'd knock da syet outta a fool. Now like they say: “Don't take kindness for kindness for weakness or humbleness for gullibleness.” Holla!

deepwater2 says:

Floyd would sick his steroid goons on PAC before he tried to do something himself. Remember Health comes first for Lil Floyd

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;65798]Not quite true about Money May. He fought Baldomir for 3.5mil and the corrupted WBC title that Baldomir paid the sanctioning for after he beat Judah who kept the fringed IBF. Judah then lost that worthless belt to Money May. The lineal champ during that time was WBA champ Miguel Cotto who eventually lost his belt to Margarito.

Money May was a paper champ of the crooked WBC and the trifling, always shady IBF. Money May has never become lineal welterweight until he beat Chino Maidana. Da game is full of optical illusions.

Margarito was indeed the lineal who lost to Shane Mosley. Sorry! But Money May has only been lineal champion at lightweight. Holla![/QUOTE]

Yes, Sensei! He made $12m with PPV upside! He had just implemented the mode he has now, giving him all the back-end profits which totaled $12m even though the day-of-the-fight guarantee was less.

Just like Manny makes $7m on the night but really pockets $18m.

And he was the champ. No illusions there.

Because Judah had lost the UNDISPUTED title to Baldomir (who couldn't afford the sanctioning fees for all three belts and the IBF thus stayed with Judah), who then beat Gatti in his first defense.

That led to the showdown between the two that did strong numbers on pay-per-view — hence his $12m check.

Margarito wasn't even in the title conversation; the WBO was worthless at the time. You're about to make me use filthy vernacular in my descriptions of his illegitimacy. I'll just call him “bastard.”

(The WBO has Manny Pacquiao, Wladimir Klitschko and Bernard Hopkins to thank for finally being taken seriously as a title in the mid-2000's. They're losing that legitimacy again quickly, which is why their jabroni boss Paco is desperate. But that's for another edition of Shadow's RM…)

Margarito was considered the #1 because he beat Cotto while Mayweather was retired. Then he went and got whooped by Mosley.

Mosley then got slaughtered like a lamb vs. Floyd. So he'd the lineal champ then — not when he fought Maidana?

Either way, Money May has been lineal champ/The Man in four divisions. He beat the man at 130, 135, 140 but at 147 so that doesn't count, 147 and 154.

While this is fun discussion, it is all bit beside the point.

The point is fighting the legitimate champion for more money under a deal structure where he could go independent and make about $50m per fight with PPV upside only constitutes a duck in La La Land.

He just wanted to break free and make more money doing it. You would've made the same move, ESPECIALLY with 20/20 hindsight vision, I'm sure.

But like you said, we will all see how it unfolds. We're discussing a book without reading the final chapter.

Hehehehehe, I see you're not feeling IBF and Lee's corrupt ways too much?

Radam G says:

Again in 08, Margarito beat both Cintron and Cotto for the IBF and WBA, so what was Money holding? The WBC. Mosley didn't fight for his title against Money May. Mosley got it up, so Money May was not a champion period. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;65826]Again in 08, Margarito beat both Cintron and Cotto for the IBF and WBA, so what was Money holding? The WBC. Mosley didn't fight for his title against Money May. He got it up, so Money May was not a champion period. Holla![/QUOTE]

Mayweather was retired then and busy fighting 400-pound monsters. Berto had usurped the WBC after Mayweather retired.

He beat the undisputed champion in '06, cashed out in '07 and called it a day. In his second fight back, he cleaned up the mess left behind by molesting Mosley.

WBA title or not, you know as well as anyone that sanctioning body trinket isn't a requisite for lineal contention. Model was The Man and got whipped like a boy.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65841]Mayweather was retired then and busy fighting 400-pound monsters. Berto had usurped the WBC after Mayweather retired.

He beat the undisputed champion in '06, cashed out in '07 and called it a day. In his second fight back, he cleaned up the mess left behind by molesting Mosley.

WBA title or not, you know as well as anyone that sanctioning body trinket isn't a requisite for lineal contention. Model was The Man and got whipped like a boy.[/QUOTE]

Hehehe! True DA! True DA! Those sanctioning body trinket ain't Jack. It is all about the Benjamins. And in all of pug history, there has never quite been a Money May. And I'm willing to bet that he know how to keep it that way — “fighting for da PAY, not for da PLAY!” And that is from the late, great Jack Johnson who refused to be paid in paper money.

He wanted be paid in pure GOLD. Dude was smart as heck. By today's standard and worth of the weak-@$$ U.S. dollar and the strength of Gold, old “Unforgivable Blackness” would be the second richest boxing-purse-making pug of all times behind paper-money earning Money May.

“UB” didn't have any endorsements. And Money May doesn't have many. These cats are/were nearly exclusively boksing paid from gettin' down wif' it in dat square jungle. Holla!

amayseng says:

Good back and forth RG and Shadow…

Floyd is a fantastic boxer but lets be real, “he didnt want that work”, what work? Pot shotted and bicycled to a decision? Lets be honest, Floyd aint no killer, he is a fantastic boxer mover with high ring iq.

And yes, Manny would stomp him if Floyd put his hands on him during a staredown.

It is the quiet ones you have to worry about. I know, I am a quiet one.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;65874]Good back and forth RG and Shadow…

Floyd is a fantastic boxer but lets be real, “he didnt want that work”, what work? Pot shotted and bicycled to a decision? Lets be honest, Floyd aint no killer, he is a fantastic boxer mover with high ring iq.

And yes, Manny would stomp him if Floyd put his hands on him during a staredown.

It is the quiet ones you have to worry about. I know, I am a quiet one.[/QUOTE]

You're probably right. I think I would put my money on Manny in a street fight.

The more I think about it, I think RG might be on to something. Manny might just be one of them dudes that's quick to poke an eye out or bite a nose off. LOL

I don't think Floyd has much on Manny in the street fighting department.

As for who didn't want the work, I was referring to Bob Arum.

Manny wants it, I believe. Not sure he craves it but he'd like it. But if he [I]really[/I] wanted it, he should've done what Oscar, Floyd and Cotto did before him and what Marco Huck just did today.

Either way, don't think being pot shot to death by a mover isn't hurtful! These guys can handle physical pain but they fear embarrassment much, much more and is haunted by this far more than a bruise, which heals in time.

RG, isn't that right? Tyson and many others used to say the fear of being embarrassed in front of everyone is far worse than being beat up. All boxers have been beat up at one point, under the lights or in the gym.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;65874]Good back and forth RG and Shadow…

Floyd is a fantastic boxer but lets be real, “he didnt want that work”, what work? Pot shotted and bicycled to a decision? Lets be honest, Floyd aint no killer, he is a fantastic boxer mover with high ring iq.

And yes, Manny would stomp him if Floyd put his hands on him during a staredown.

It is the quiet ones you have to worry about. I know, I am a quiet one.[/QUOTE]

Hehehehehehe! I hear you! Quiet STORMS ain't no jokes. Holla?

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65877]You're probably right. I think I would put my money on Manny in a street fight.

The more I think about it, I think RG might be on to something. Manny might just be one of them dudes that's quick to poke an eye out or bite a nose off. LOL

I don't think Floyd has much on Manny in the street fighting department.

As for who didn't want the work, I was referring to Bob Arum.

Manny wants it, I believe. Not sure he craves it but he'd like it. But if he [I]really[/I] wanted it, he should've done what Oscar, Floyd and Cotto did before him and what Marco Huck just did today.

Either way, don't think being pot shot to death by a mover isn't hurtful! These guys can handle physical pain but they fear embarrassment much, much more and is haunted by this far more than a bruise, which heals in time.

RG, isn't that right? Tyson and many others used to say the fear of being embarrassed in front of everyone is far worse than being beat up. All boxers have been beat up at one point, under the lights or in the gym.[/QUOTE]

That is true. That is why many men/soldiers die in war. They don't mind getting beat. They just don't want to be embarrassed and humiliated.

And getting embarrassed and humiliated is what happened to Roberto Duran when he quit against Sugar Ray Leonard. He didn't care about an arse whuppin.' But no way that he was going to work with embarrassment and humiliation. And Oliver McCall did the same thing against Lennox Lewis. McCall was crying and going on like a simpleton bytch.

I was once beating a fighter and humiliating him so badly that his father begged for me to “cut out da syet, and finish” off his son by kayoing him.

The father throw a water bottle at me. So I knocked his son da double fudge out. And then the bytch-arse pops said to me: “Thank YOU! We are Hatfields and McCoys. And don't give a flying f%*k about losing or dying. Just don't embarrassed us.”

The place was in the 1990$ in Tennessee. When people say that boxing is the “theatre of the unexpected,” that is what they mean. You never know what type of syet is going to break out. I syet you not. I'm just brave enough along with D2 to tell the stories.

The other pugs and pundits in the loop that know da poop are too darn quiet with it. I guess because they don't think that they will be believed, or to them it wasn't that deep.

LET IT OUT! LET IT OUT! Up in you, none of this jive should you keep. In the actuality or the reality, give those who don't know a peep. Holla!

Radam G says:

But in a street fight between Money May and Da Manny, you would lose your moolah, The Shadow. Da Manny is trained in secret, deadly Pinoy martial arts that is used by the special forces of the U.S. Gov, Israel and other governments. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;65896]But in a street fight between Money May and Da Manny, you would lose your moolah, The Shadow. Da Manny is trained in secret, deadly Pinoy martial arts that is used by the special forces of the U.S. Gov, Israel and other governments. Holla![/QUOTE]

Hehehe, I had my money on Da Manny! Not in a prizefight but a street fight.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;65904]Hehehe, I had my money on Da Manny! Not in a prizefight but a street fight.[/QUOTE]

Hehehehe! You will lose your money in the prize fight too. But thanks to the scary-cat factor of Lil Floyd, and the mad whup-@$$ knowledge of Pops Joy May and Uncle Roger May that is never going to happen.

Now if it were left up to college-educated Uncle Jeff — but boksing knowledge blinded as hell — Lil' Floyd would have already been beat and outta da game. Uncle Jeff has always let his college-educated brain override his boksing-educated brain.

See. If one cannot separated whup-@$$ education from academic educated, he is finished. Holla!